Topic: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Hi Guys,

This is my first post on this forum, so I want to say 'hello' to everyone wink

I have opportunity to buy Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 but I don't know much about this lens. Have you had such lens? The few things I know aobout it are that it is heavy, with 62 mm filter mount and that it has constant apperature f3.5 smile

Thanks in advance for your help.

Rafal

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Hi Rafal,

Tokina lenses are generally top notch third party lens makers. I have a 400mm f5.6 SD and 300mm f2.8 ATX and they are both excellent. If the price is resonable, why not go for it?

Are you sure it is 70-210mm f3.5? I also just got the same focal length but it is the compact f4-5.6 version (Tokina SZ-X 721)
http://www.photodo.com/product_491.html

I have not heard of a f3.5 version before?

You could also ask this group:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/tokina/pool/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/tokina-lenses/

Also look up:
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/tokina
http://lens-reviews.com/Lenses/Tokina/T … -f4.5.html

In the end, the best performers are the Vivitar Series 1, Kiron, and Tamron Version

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Hi

I've got an SD 70-210 1:4-5.6 I bought new about 20 years ago. I'd be happy to run some shots tomorrow afternoon if you or anyone else is interested. But i don't know about a 3.5.

Pentax K10D + Kit lens. Ricoh XR-M, Pentax SF7.  Pentax 50mm F 1:1.7. 1:6.3 Soligur 400mm. Tamron 2x SP Teleconverter. Super Takumar 135mm f3.5. Super Takumar 50mm  1:1.4, Tamron 70-210mm 3.5 19AH. Tamron 80-210 1:3.8-4 103A.Ricoh 35-70. Helios - 44M-4 58mm1:2, Tamron 500mm f8 55BB Cadiotropic, Pentax M 28mm 1: 2.8.

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Hi,

StingOM, yes, I am sure that this is 70-210 f3.5 ...
It is the same as this:
http://www.allegro.pl/item210451274_tok … ample.html
except that the lens I wan to buy is for Pentax.

I read somewhere on the net that this Tokina existed as  Vivitar Series 1 version 2 too, don't know if it is true or not.

Thanks,
Rafal

Last edited by rafalf (2007-08-24 12:34:29)

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Hi again smile.

I have second option - there is possilibity to get Takumar-A 70-200/4 for similar price as that Tokina? Should I go for Tokina or Takumar?

Regards,
Rafal

Last edited by rafalf (2007-08-25 08:30:00)

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

The Takumar A 70-200/4 has a rating of 3.0 on:
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8917/lensrat1.html
which is not too bad for a old zoom.

The Tokina is not rated in this list, so hard to say which might be the best.......

Edit: If the Tokina is optical the same as the Vivitar series 1 (Tokina version) , then there isn't much difference (rating 3.1)

Last edited by Case from Holland (2007-08-25 13:54:28)

Canon EOS 20D/30D/EF 28-70 3.5-4.5 II/EF 24-85 3.5-4.5/Tamron 19-35AF/Tamron SP60-300 Adaptall 2/Tamron 80-210 103A/Tamron 70-150 20A/Vivitar 70-150 3.8/Vivitar 28mm F2.0/SMC Takumar 50mm F1.4/Super Takumar 135 F3.5/Revuenon 24mm F4 macro/Aus Jena T135 F3,5

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

I have a Tokina RMC 70-200/4 (OM mount) which isn't that great to be honest. Capable of producing a decent image but I wouldn't want to depend on it.

Last edited by Uusilehto (2007-08-25 14:47:02)

Lasse Nylund
Canon EOS 1D, 20D, Sinar Norma 4x5"
35mm: | Vivitar 20/3.8 | 35/2.4 Flektogon | 50/1.7T* Planar | Nikkor-H 85/1.8 | 135/3.5 Sonnar |
LF: GX 90/6.8 Optar | Rodenstock-Ysaron 105/4.5 | SK 121/8 Super-Angulon | 125/6.8 Dagor | GX 135/4.7 Optar | 150/9 Weitwinkel-Dagor | 180/5.6 Symmar | 180/6.8 Dagor | JML Optical 209/8 | SK 210/4.5 Xenar |  240/5.6 Symmar | 360/4.5 Berthiot

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Case from Holland wrote:

Edit: If the Tokina is optical the same as the Vivitar series 1 (Tokina version) , then there isn't much difference (rating 3.1)

The above quote is about right! The second Vivitar Series 1 f3.5 70-210 mm zoom was introduced in 1982. It was a reworking of a discontinued Tokina zoom. It held the market until the introduction of the f2.8-4.0 zoom built by Komine in 1984. This was the best Vivitar series 1 zoom.

Olympus OM 1n & 2n, Zuiko 28mm 2.8, 50mm 1.4, 1.8, 75-150mm 4.0, Tamron 35-80 SP CF 2.8-3.8, Vivitar Series 1 90mm 2.5 Macro, 24-48mm 3.8, 70-210mm 2.8-4.0, 19-35mm 3.5-4.5, Vivitar 135mm 2.8 CF lens, 200mm 3.5, Kiron 28-105mm 3.5-4.5, 28-210mm 4-5.6, Preset Soligor 105mm 2.8, Vivitar 35mm 2.8, 135mm 3.5

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Robin wrote:
Case from Holland wrote:

Edit: If the Tokina is optical the same as the Vivitar series 1 (Tokina version) , then there isn't much difference (rating 3.1)

The above quote is about right! The second Vivitar Series 1 f3.5 70-210 mm zoom was introduced in 1982. It was a reworking of a discontinued Tokina zoom. It held the market until the introduction of the f2.8-4.0 zoom built by Komine in 1984. This was the best Vivitar series 1 zoom.

The rating of Vivitar showed on that page refers to 70-210 f2.8-4, there is no notice that is the series 1 lens, the only series 1 lens listed there is 105/2.5 macro... Even if the 70-210 f2.8-4 was the series 1 , it may be one of the later versions of that lens. (Please look at this page:http://www.robertstech.com/vivitar.htm)

Robin, do you know if the Tokina 70-210 f3.5 differs much from vivitar series 1 version 2?? I saw many good opinons on the Viv, but almost no opinions about Tokina.

Rgds,
Rafal

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Rafal, I have no knowledge on the quality of the Tokina lens. I have a copy of an article by Herbert Keppler in Modern Photography, "Good grief three Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm lens" in which he gave a rundown of the history of these lenses. Which I quoted in the earlier post. The quality had to good enough for Vivitar to do some fine tuning. You can see on the Robertstech site the final results Vivitar achieved. Tokina built the Vivitar S1 90mm 2.5 macro and when Vivitar turned elsewhere brought out their own version optically the same. Looking on Robert Monaghans Third party lens website, in the listing of 1600 lenses he lists a f3.5 70-210mm lens issued in 1983 at $459. So Tokina might have put out their version of the Vivitar lens, for by then they must have known Komine would be building the third edition.
I hope this helps

Robin

Olympus OM 1n & 2n, Zuiko 28mm 2.8, 50mm 1.4, 1.8, 75-150mm 4.0, Tamron 35-80 SP CF 2.8-3.8, Vivitar Series 1 90mm 2.5 Macro, 24-48mm 3.8, 70-210mm 2.8-4.0, 19-35mm 3.5-4.5, Vivitar 135mm 2.8 CF lens, 200mm 3.5, Kiron 28-105mm 3.5-4.5, 28-210mm 4-5.6, Preset Soligor 105mm 2.8, Vivitar 35mm 2.8, 135mm 3.5

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t257 … oad/x5.jpg

Here's one I took a few months ago. It was at 210. No enhancements.

Pentax K10D + Kit lens. Ricoh XR-M, Pentax SF7.  Pentax 50mm F 1:1.7. 1:6.3 Soligur 400mm. Tamron 2x SP Teleconverter. Super Takumar 135mm f3.5. Super Takumar 50mm  1:1.4, Tamron 70-210mm 3.5 19AH. Tamron 80-210 1:3.8-4 103A.Ricoh 35-70. Helios - 44M-4 58mm1:2, Tamron 500mm f8 55BB Cadiotropic, Pentax M 28mm 1: 2.8.

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Hello everyone!  This is my first post also. 
@ rafalf - I just bought the same identical lens a couple days ago thinking the same as you, that it is very close in specs to the 2nd ed. Viv Series 1 70-210.  I am expecting it to show up in the next couple of days.  As soon as I have a few pics from it (and some initial first impressions), I would be more than happy to share them with you. 
Regards,
Linda

Last edited by lkenyon66 (2007-08-26 15:51:29)

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Thank you all for help with this lens. I just have to make my decision on my own smile I suppose to get this lens for tests before buying, so I will check the quality and sharpness of it. I will try to link here some photos taken with that lens.

Linda, I am looking forward for your photos too smile

Regards,

Rafal

Last edited by rafalf (2007-08-26 20:36:56)

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

A Tokina 70-210 f-3.5 was given to me about 12 years ago by a friend who switched from a Canon AE-1 to a Pentax K-1000. A plenty good lens, in my opinion. Here's a sample. The usual disclaimers apply. Less than ideal conditions (No tripod), limited file size. Still, no slouch.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p179/casualcollector/C130.jpg

Finally gone digital

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

The Tokina arrived in the mail today. big_smile Initial impression is that it's definetely a well built lens.  It is quite heavy on my Nikon D40 and until I can rid myself of the shakes, I will most likely use a tripod with it.  I am just an amateur camera buff but I believe it what you call a parfocal lens.   Once you have focused on your subject, it appears you can zoom in and out without having to refocus much at all - maybe just a tweak. 

Here is some information from the manual:
Elements/Groups:              14/10
Lens Coating:                    Tokina RMC multi-coat
Angle of View:                   34degrees20' - 11degrees50'
Minimum Focus Distance:   1.4m
Aperature Range:              f/3.5 - f/22 
Max Diameter x Length:     69.5mm x 141mm
Weight:                            680g

The aperature ring has stops at 3.5, 5.6, 8, 11, 16 and 22.  I am going to try to attach some pictures to this post, we'll see how it goes.  You can also click on my website to view them along with the notes I made.  The first one was on a tripod, the last 2 were handheld.  Also, I did not make any adjustments to these other than cropping in Picasa. 

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1292/1252011467_3e7b4dcca9.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1161/1252039079_a035d2687a.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1137/1253486066_836bfa6c76.jpg

Sorry for such boring pics, but I only had about an hour of decent light after I got home from work. 
Regards,
Linda

Last edited by lkenyon66 (2007-08-28 02:05:46)

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Good!, like the second flower , nice shot.

Last edited by zorroflores (2007-08-29 06:34:34)

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Hi Linda, welcome to the forum!
Good to see a member of the opposite sex (i believe you are the second female member) around.
Have fun!

Mark.

Mark.
Camera: Canon EOS 5D Mark II // Canon EOS 350D // Leica R7 // Bronica SQ-B // Olympus 35SP // Olympus XA
Lenslist: click

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

Thanks guys - glad I found this forum!  OK, so just to make it clear - I am just an amateur trying to find some decent old glass and hopefully contribute something that may help someone else down the road. smile  I have no formal training in lens testing, etc..    That being said, I did a side by side comparison last night to check for sharpness, color rendition and resolution.  The Tokina pics at f/3.5 came out much softer than the D40 kit lens, but once at f/5.6 it's very difficult to tell the difference between the two.  The Tokina was set at the minimum 70mm (105mm equiv) and the kit at the maximum 55mm.  The exposures were 1/40 for the Tokina and 1/60 for the kit, both taken with flash.  I moved the tripod closer to the subject with the kit lens to try to get about the same frame coverage.  I also used the AF on the kit lens.  Here are 100% crops of both (no post processing other than cropped):
Tokina f/5.6 - 100% crop
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1425/1280688960_0966aaeebc.jpg

D40 Kit f/5.6 - 100% crop
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1258/1280893546_2d86344151.jpg

I think this 25 year old lens performed pretty well.  Like I said before, I have found that f/3.5 can be quite soft in certain situations which is a little disappointing.  Another thing that is going to take some getting used to is the fact that the push/pull zoom is backwards from all the lenses I've used in the past.  You pull the zoom towards you for 210mm and away from you for 70mm.  However, unlike my lenses in the past - the overall length of the lens doesn't change when you move the zoom ring.  Anyhow, hope this might be helpful to somebody.  If anyone has any other questions, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer.
Regards,
Linda big_smile

Last edited by lkenyon66 (2007-08-31 03:27:00)

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

I will try to revive this old thread. Is there a difference between one touch zoom lens discussed above and two touch version like this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zniv/3068316648/
Is the last one worth the money (around US $150)?

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

dimitrygo wrote:

I will try to revive this old thread. Is there a difference between one touch zoom lens discussed above and two touch version like this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zniv/3068316648/
Is the last one worth the money (around US $150)?

As far we can know, These are complete different versions

The  2 touch was a 1975 design version (2nd batch of c/d lens when sold under soligor tm)
The ot version is a 1983 design (this is the one sold under vivitar s1 tm)

Last edited by pbfacts (2009-03-14 12:54:31)

Om2 sp + Md1 +
Zuiko 35/105 + 65/200 + 50/1.2 + 500/8
+ Sigma 18/35 + Makinon 5.6/300 + Kiron 105/2.8 + Sigma 28/200 + T32 + T8 + Fisheye Soligor
I sell  : OM10+ OM2 + OM2sp + md2 + Zuiko 28/3.5 +50/1.8 + 50/1.4 + 35/70 3.6 + 50 macro + Sigma 21/35 + Vivitar 35/70 + Tokina 70/210 3.5 + Tamron 28/200 + Vivitar S1 28/90  + Tokina 100/300 + Vivitar 75/150 + 500/8 makinon + Macro panagor + T32

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

rafalf wrote:

The second Vivitar Series 1 f3.5 70-210 mm zoom was introduced in 1982. It was a reworking of a discontinued Tokina zoom.

FALSE : The tokina ot 70/210 3.5  was ALSO sold after vivitar S1 version (i bought mine - to be sold if someone interested ! - AFTER the S1 version was introduced
To be the most precise : i bought it BECAUSE vivitar sold it under it's own flagship label

Last edited by pbfacts (2009-03-14 12:53:40)

Om2 sp + Md1 +
Zuiko 35/105 + 65/200 + 50/1.2 + 500/8
+ Sigma 18/35 + Makinon 5.6/300 + Kiron 105/2.8 + Sigma 28/200 + T32 + T8 + Fisheye Soligor
I sell  : OM10+ OM2 + OM2sp + md2 + Zuiko 28/3.5 +50/1.8 + 50/1.4 + 35/70 3.6 + 50 macro + Sigma 21/35 + Vivitar 35/70 + Tokina 70/210 3.5 + Tamron 28/200 + Vivitar S1 28/90  + Tokina 100/300 + Vivitar 75/150 + 500/8 makinon + Macro panagor + T32

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

pbfacts wrote:

As far we can know, These are complete different versions

And in terms of quality?

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

dimitrygo wrote:
pbfacts wrote:

As far we can know, These are complete different versions

And in terms of quality?

I onky know the 2nd version

Very good quality troughout the range / full aperture a little low in contrast but image still ok

Om2 sp + Md1 +
Zuiko 35/105 + 65/200 + 50/1.2 + 500/8
+ Sigma 18/35 + Makinon 5.6/300 + Kiron 105/2.8 + Sigma 28/200 + T32 + T8 + Fisheye Soligor
I sell  : OM10+ OM2 + OM2sp + md2 + Zuiko 28/3.5 +50/1.8 + 50/1.4 + 35/70 3.6 + 50 macro + Sigma 21/35 + Vivitar 35/70 + Tokina 70/210 3.5 + Tamron 28/200 + Vivitar S1 28/90  + Tokina 100/300 + Vivitar 75/150 + 500/8 makinon + Macro panagor + T32

Re: Tokina RMC 70-210 f3.5 - is it worth buying?

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