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#1 2009-05-01 17:34:31

ikonpeter
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Slide film processed in B&W...

I have in my closet some slide films which are not usable , being outdated for 10 years or more ; I thought to bin them but I gave , yesterday , a last chance to an Ektachrome 64 . I shot 36 pics near Toulon (with a Lomo 135 ) , then I processed it like a B&W film in HC110 for 10mn at 20C , fixed it  et voila !

http://ikonpeter.smugmug.com/gallery/33 … 0089_LTfge

http://ikonpeter.smugmug.com/gallery/33 … 9805_EpjDq
the grain is large but the tonality is nice , the sky and its Cirrus are well rendered ; I will not bin these old slides films .
What do you think of this try , do you suggest any improvement ...?


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#2 2009-05-01 17:50:44

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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

I like them.  Certainly worth the effort.
I accidentaly cross processed color in my black and white chemistry.  They came out surprisingly well.

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#3 2009-05-01 18:17:35

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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

Well I never! - I like the effect too.  I've got some old provia that I'll keep now! smile  I wonder what effect I'll get with diafine?  Massive grain perhaps.


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#4 2009-05-01 19:56:19

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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

Now, this is amazing!


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#5 2009-05-01 21:37:46

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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

Wait a minute - this is Kodachrome 64 processed in B&W chemistry?  It works?  No bleaching step or anything like that?  Just develop/stop/fix/wash?

If I am reading this correct, then your results are outstanding IMO.

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#6 2009-05-01 22:34:51

ikonpeter
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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

No , no it's EKTACHROME 64 , and I processed it exactly as if it was a Plus X , B& W film : developer , fixer and tape water .
You give me the idea to try this process with a very old Kodachrome 64 in 126 format !


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#7 2009-05-02 06:49:35

ikonpeter
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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

I forgot to precise that the result of this process is a NEGATIVE B&W FILM : I started with a slide colour film and ended with a neg B&W film .


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#8 2009-05-02 15:39:50

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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

Found more on this:
http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/6164 … icals.html

And a quote from one of the respondents:

Density of the negatives won't be great, as your bog standard C41 doesn't have tons of silver in it compared to standard B&W. The density of C41 negs comes mainly from dye clouds formed during processing.

The orange mask of standard colour films can also be a PITA for printing onto standard B&W paper. Maskless films like Digibase, XP2, or reversal films designed for E6 (Or Kodachrome) don't have this problem.

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#9 2009-05-02 18:52:10

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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

Very interesting , I also tried , years  ago , to develop C41 in B&W chemistry and as the respondent wrote , the orange mask is so dense that you need very long times in the enlarger and most of the images are low contrast But for some contrasty shots , it works very well with a very fine grain , almost not visible ,as you can't get with Tmax 100 .
As an other respondent wrote , with a reversal film , you get a nice neg with a light yellow hue which is no problem in the enlarger .
Thank you Carpents...


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#10 2009-05-03 03:45:57

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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

What a delightful discovery. smile They came out quite well, with the exception of the alreaded noted grain size.
I had no idea that you could do this. hmm
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#11 2009-05-04 18:11:56

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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

A brave experiment that worked! Nice looking images.

I have processed colour slide film in the past, and, with the film and chemistry I was using, you had to expose it to a specified light source for a given time mid way through the process. I presume that was the reversal part, that you have not done. Your results are rather more successful than mine, I seem to recall genuine colour, but with an unpleasant yellow cast. wink


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#12 2009-05-04 18:16:20

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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

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#13 2009-05-04 19:04:35

ikonpeter
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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

...and you got a fine grain  . Did you try to enlarge the negs with an enlarger or did you scan them ?


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#14 2009-05-04 19:22:01

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Re: Slide film processed in B&W...

ikonpeter wrote:

...and you got a fine grain  . Did you try to enlarge the negs with an enlarger or did you scan them ?

Just scanned.  I don't do a wet darkroom.

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