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			<title><![CDATA[Re: The magnificently modified  Canon FL  28mm project]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>More positive progress this afternoon.&nbsp; &nbsp; I put the modified&nbsp; (original Canon) retainer ring onto the Nikon adapter BACKWARDS&nbsp; &nbsp;which caused the two to act as a tight, self centering device.&nbsp; Drilled through both,&nbsp; and tapped for the smallest local screws I could buy a tap for--2-56</p><p>Drilling through the two rings:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i10.tinypic.com/6nvvpzm.jpg" alt="http://i10.tinypic.com/6nvvpzm.jpg" /></span></p><p>Using the nonpowered drill press to keep the tap perpendicular</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i1.tinypic.com/6xkwxdu.jpg" alt="http://i1.tinypic.com/6xkwxdu.jpg" /></span></p><p>The two rings finally screwed together.&nbsp; &nbsp;the original Canon ring will be epoxied to the lens body</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i1.tinypic.com/6jo6yqg.jpg" alt="http://i1.tinypic.com/6jo6yqg.jpg" /></span></p><p>The new &quot;key&quot;&nbsp; to keep the inner guts from rotating.&nbsp; I took an original piece,&nbsp; and squeezed it flat.&nbsp; Located it carefully,&nbsp; and drilled two holes for a &quot;slip&quot;&nbsp; fit of two original screws.&nbsp; All these screws do is pin the piece in place while the epoxy dries.&nbsp; I have no taps this small</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i1.tinypic.com/7y4d14w.jpg" alt="http://i1.tinypic.com/7y4d14w.jpg" /></span></p><p>The major pieces.&nbsp; The entire lens can be dissasembled my merely unscrewing the focus.&nbsp; &nbsp;I BELIEVE&nbsp; &nbsp;the focus helix&#039;s&nbsp; are triple, not &quot;quad.&quot;&nbsp; This means that the threads&nbsp; &quot;start&quot;&nbsp; every 1/3 turn,&nbsp; allowing some tuning on the depth of the focus elements&nbsp; &quot;back&quot; into the body.&nbsp; I spent about an hour playing with this &quot;feature&quot;&nbsp; in order to get the original index marks to line up</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i1.tinypic.com/817dxyg.jpg" alt="http://i1.tinypic.com/817dxyg.jpg" /></span></p><p>The lens is now complete and &quot;ready to go&quot;&nbsp; except for epoxying the rear adapter/ring onto the lens body.&nbsp; &nbsp;Before I do that,&nbsp; I want to get out in the light and be SURE&nbsp; we have infinity.&nbsp; Because this is a short lens (28mm)&nbsp; and the DOF is so deep, it&#039;s really hard to tell.&nbsp; I&#039;d kinda like to have some &quot;back focus&quot;&nbsp; to&nbsp; &quot;make sure.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Anyway,&nbsp; &nbsp;what we have done so far will allow me to install the ring on the camera,&nbsp; and hold the rest&nbsp; up against&nbsp; in it&#039;s final position.&nbsp; &nbsp;With any luck, it&#039;ll be done tomorrow. </p><p>Been raining and snowing here,&nbsp; so it&#039;s hard to get out and do much.&nbsp; Foggy and hazy part of the time,&nbsp; difficult to find good, clear, distant targets</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>hmmm im soaking front 2 elements and 3rd and 4th elements of a 35-80mm Canon EF lens i bought for $35 AUD from a pawn shop in methylated spirits in the sun... hoping to get rid of the fungus.. (cant see anyway to get them apart).. hopefully i can get rid of the fungus somehow and then let the elemetns sit and drain of metho... i might drill a hole in the side that connects them tomorrow and clean it with a cotton bud + metho and real seal it with sticky tape (thats how it was sealed under the zooming ring.. just uber thick sticky tape..)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[The magnificently modified  Canon FL  28mm project]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know why,&nbsp; I still want to play.&nbsp; &nbsp;Maybe it&#039;s the ego&nbsp; of having &quot;Canon&quot;&nbsp; lenses&nbsp; on a Canon body.&nbsp; &nbsp;Anyhow,&nbsp; I noticed that at least some of the older Canon manual&nbsp; &nbsp;(FL,&nbsp; not FD)&nbsp; mount lenses had the aperture mechanism on the front ring,&nbsp; &nbsp;and had no second lever.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;I traded&nbsp; a 28mm&nbsp; lens&nbsp; for a&nbsp; bellows I had,&nbsp; &nbsp;and went to work.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>First,&nbsp; no modification to the inner lens group is necessary,&nbsp; except to cut off the aperture lever in the rear.&nbsp; &nbsp;The entire inner lens group comes out by removing one nut/retainer on the rear.</p><p>I thought this over for about a day.&nbsp; </p><p>THIS CAN BE PERFORMED WITH NO LATHE.&nbsp; &nbsp;Only files, or a Dremel type grinder,&nbsp; &nbsp;a couple of small screwdrivers,&nbsp; and normal hand tools are needed.</p><p>I haven&#039;t&nbsp; &nbsp;decided whether to drill and tap the parts for assembly,&nbsp; whether to solder&nbsp; the adapter to the body ring,&nbsp; epoxy,&nbsp; etc.</p><p>I used a Nikon-to-Canon&nbsp; import adapter,&nbsp; which is brass,&nbsp; and is two piece.&nbsp; I removed the front piece,&nbsp; and will only use the rear as a mount,&nbsp; which makes it thinner.</p><p>Here&#039;s&nbsp; the pieces out of the lens which will be used.&nbsp; The upper left is the &quot;inner lens group, which is held in place by the nut&nbsp; just behind.&nbsp; The screwdriver is pointing to a hole in the black section from which a screw&nbsp; is removed.&nbsp; This &quot;keyed&quot;&nbsp; the lens group to hold it from rotating,&nbsp; but will not be used.&nbsp; The inner group&nbsp; will not index&nbsp; at the original rotation.&nbsp; Left center is the &quot;inner body&quot;&nbsp; which&nbsp; holds the lens group, and is unmodified.&nbsp; Left lower is the focus control ring,&nbsp; screwed to the focus helix.&nbsp; Lower center is the main body.&nbsp; &nbsp;Lower right is the original Canon retainer, which will be used as part of the mount.&nbsp; Center right is the rear&nbsp; section of the Nikon-to Canon adapter&nbsp; The little brass piece&nbsp; &nbsp;is originally a stop for the focus mechanism.&nbsp; &nbsp;It turns out that it sticks out enough&nbsp; next to the aperture mechanism&nbsp; in front,&nbsp; that it interferes with allowing the lens group to screw&nbsp; &quot;back&quot;&nbsp; far enough,&nbsp; &nbsp;and simply will not be used.:</p><br /><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i17.tinypic.com/6siaj2w.jpg" alt="http://i17.tinypic.com/6siaj2w.jpg" /></span></p><br /><br /><p>First step is to remove the&nbsp; bayonet lugs&nbsp; from the original ring--the one you operate to install/remove the lens from the camera.&nbsp; Again, you could file or grind this.&nbsp; Remove the bayonet lugs,&nbsp; out to the &quot;major&quot;&nbsp; ID of the ring:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i8.tinypic.com/8f9qcxv.jpg" alt="http://i8.tinypic.com/8f9qcxv.jpg" /></span></p><p>Next&nbsp; is to cut the shoulder to a&nbsp; larger&nbsp; ID&nbsp; on the rear of the body,&nbsp; so the lens group can come back further for infinity.&nbsp; &nbsp;Again,&nbsp; you can do this with files or a grinder:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i9.tinypic.com/8g56c1j.jpg" alt="http://i9.tinypic.com/8g56c1j.jpg" /></span></p><p>Here&#039;s a picture&nbsp; with the inner section&nbsp; stuck into the main outer body ring BACKWARDS,&nbsp; just to show how we now have clearance:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i13.tinypic.com/7w7ttg9.jpg" alt="http://i13.tinypic.com/7w7ttg9.jpg" /></span></p><p>Below illustrates&nbsp; the focus helix, removed from the outer control ring.&nbsp; &nbsp;Originally&nbsp; Canon used round head screws,&nbsp; which interfered with allowing the inner section to screw back in far enough for infinity.&nbsp; I simply&nbsp; countersunk the original holes,&nbsp; &nbsp;and used flathead screws.&nbsp; THESE SCREWS&nbsp; came from the dissasembly of the Nikon adapter,&nbsp; which is two-piece.</p><br /><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i6.tinypic.com/821fejo.jpg" alt="http://i6.tinypic.com/821fejo.jpg" /></span></p><p>Also,&nbsp; to gain just a little more,&nbsp; I discovered the focus threads&nbsp; are a double thread,&nbsp; that is, you can start the helix in the body&nbsp; in either of two places&nbsp; 180deg apart.&nbsp; By re-installing the outer focus control ring&nbsp; in the &quot;wrong&quot;&nbsp; spot,&nbsp; and playing with this thread,&nbsp; I gained another tiny amount &quot;back&quot;&nbsp; into the body&nbsp; for infinity&nbsp; Below shows the focus control ring re-installed on the helix,&nbsp; with the countersunk screws--which originally came on the Nikon adapter.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i9.tinypic.com/6lnfm7a.jpg" alt="http://i9.tinypic.com/6lnfm7a.jpg" /></span></p><p>Here are the modified pieces,&nbsp; getting closer.&nbsp; Top left is a &quot;first&quot;&nbsp; Nikon-to-Canon adapter,&nbsp; which I ruined.&nbsp; I was trying to turn off the two&nbsp; ridges on the face, which may not even be necessary.&nbsp; &nbsp;To the right is the &quot;second&quot;&nbsp; Nikon adapter, rear section.&nbsp; To the right yet is the Canon retainer, after removing the bayonet lugs.&nbsp; Top far right is the inner lens group.</p><p>Lower left is the main body,&nbsp; to it&#039;s right is the modified focus ring,&nbsp; and right further is the retaining nut for the lens group.&nbsp; The washer&nbsp; will NOT be used as it adds yet another tiny bit of &quot;back&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp;distance for infinity.&nbsp; To the far right is the inner body, unmodified</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i9.tinypic.com/6z95c8j.jpg" alt="http://i9.tinypic.com/6z95c8j.jpg" /></span></p><p>Below shows how the modified retainer ring will fit onto the body.&nbsp; I may just epoxy this,&nbsp; as the two have threads and other ledges which&nbsp; will &quot;catch&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp;I also may get some screws and a tap and screw it together</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i3.tinypic.com/8az323a.jpg" alt="http://i3.tinypic.com/8az323a.jpg" /></span></p><br /><p>Here&#039;s how the mount,&nbsp; the retainer,&nbsp; and the lens body would fit.&nbsp; &nbsp;I might solder or screw the mount to the retainer,&nbsp; and then epoxy the retainer to the body.&nbsp; The two just happened to be the right size&nbsp; to fit</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i1.tinypic.com/8fo1lhw.jpg" alt="http://i1.tinypic.com/8fo1lhw.jpg" /></span></p><p>Once that&#039;s all done,&nbsp; assembly should progress easily.&nbsp; Install the focus ring,&nbsp; and screw all the way in,&nbsp; then back out to the inf.&nbsp; mark.&nbsp; Screw in the inner housing,&nbsp; and then install the lens group.&nbsp; &nbsp;The &quot;play&quot;&nbsp; here is,&nbsp; that you must&nbsp; screw it in as far as can be,&nbsp; without binding the aperture control ring on the front.&nbsp; This becomes your maximum&nbsp; &quot;back&quot;&nbsp; position.&nbsp; &nbsp;At that point,&nbsp; I&#039;d have to install an index screw(s)&nbsp; to hold the inner group from turning as you focus.&nbsp; Finally,&nbsp; &nbsp;loosen the inner lens group&nbsp; (rear)&nbsp; retainer nut,&nbsp; and rotate so the aperture markings are&nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;up.&quot;</p><p>Tomorrow,&nbsp; I&#039;ll try and check for inf.&nbsp; focus,&nbsp; and see if I can drum up some no &quot;0&quot;&nbsp; or no. &quot;1&quot;&nbsp; machine screws and a tap.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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